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Still Processing
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Another day, some other rant from Donald Trump. This time, the president took aim at Colin Kaepernick, the erstwhile San Francisco 49ers quarterback who spent the bulk of concluding season sitting or kneeling during the national canticle to draw attention to law brutality and racial injustice. Trump's remarks — that the owners of football teams should fire anyone who followed suit — prompted a nationwide demonstration the following Sunday from players and team owners who knelt or linked arms. We talk near the language used by the president and his supporters and their expectations of black entertainers and athletes. We also investigate the history of the national anthem. What all did Francis Scott Primal actually invoke in the "Star-Spangled Banner"? Oh, and nosotros also manage to work in a reference to "Get Out." All kinds of people, including Stevie Wonder and glory chef Carla Hall, are joining the #TakeAKnee movement. Volition it retain its integrity as information technology evolves away from Kaepernick?
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JW: I'g Jenna Wortham.
WM: I'm Wesley Morris. We are 2 very exasperated culture writers at The New York Times.
JW: I mostly write near how humans relate to engineering science.
WM: I more often than not write about how pop civilisation relates to humans.
JW: Well, this is Still Processing. Hi, Wesley.
WM: Listen. Nosotros've got to HOV lane through a lot of stuff today, and I mean, what'southward happening with you? What's going on in your brain? I'm still recovering from concluding weekend, then I'm going to accept a second.
JW: Get it together.
WM: I know information technology's Th, merely notwithstanding.
JW: I'll offset with a bright spot. Our daughter Cardi B hit number i on the charts, so shout out to united states of america, considering we got our prediction for song of the summertime right. Information technology is Bodack Xanthous.
WM: But is it though?
JW: Aye!
WM: I mean, it'southward number one on the charts.
JW: It'due south number 1 on the charts, information technology'southward number 1 psychically, spiritually, qualitatively, quantitatively, information technology'south there.
WM: Aye. Fine. I can't, the charts, you tin't dispute the charts.
JW: Move information technology along. Only one more time, just for old time'south sake...
BODACK Xanthous, CARDI B
JW: And so, obviously, the globe is a piddling flake in crunch. In that location have been storms afterwards storms subsequently storms that are hitting every island — name an island. You get an island, it'south probably been destroyed. And so, as someone who is observing all of this happen and trying to figure out how to be effective and how to help, how to contribute fourth dimension or coin, I've been noticing — have yous noticed this? — that there's a lot of donation collection happening via social media. It feels like people are way more...it's not surprising, just it's been interesting to observe the involvement in supporting grassroots organizations versus supporting something like the Red Cross and fifty-fifty people taking it upon themselves to collect donations via PayPal or Venmo, selection upward items, so take them to the eye themselves and document it on Instagram as proof of information technology actually happening. And I guess it'due south just really illuminating something for me in how little we trust institutions and how our relationship to what we think the government can practice is completely changing. I mean, it'due south changing of class, but it feels new, it just feels really new this year.
WM: Yep. I mean, it's funny that you put information technology that way because I was thinking, well, this applied science has finally caught upwardly in a way that has fabricated it possible to exercise this stuff, only I think the disillusionment is a huge part of that too. Adjacent!
JW: I was at the embankment on Sun, having the most glorious, beautiful, decadent, delectable afternoon.
WM: I checked in on you to brand certain yous went.
JW: Had to get it in. And y'all know, I wasn't on my phone all twenty-four hour period, thankfully. I went domicile, fell asleep, dominicus boozer, you know, happy, burned, and dehydrated. Woke upwardly the next morn, opened my phone, and the first matter I saw was a picture of a Georgia Tech cheerleader, a black woman with a big afro, kneeling among her teammates, mostly white — at that place was one Asian American woman in the midst — and I just burst into tears. I just felt like that picture really encapsulated for me the loneliness sometimes that accompanies the blackness experience in America, where no one really knows what you're going through, and you're just lone in that sea of otherness. And that woman's proper noun is Raianna Brown and she, in my mind, is a modern day hero. Shout out to her.
WM: I saw that photo and it really is powerful. I've got a couple things. Number one, Nicki Minaj, one of the people maxim congratulations to Cardi B on Twitter, and people were trying to foment some kind of beef between — Cardi B is taking Nicki Minaj'due south spot, similar 2 Adams tin can't exist in the same place at the same fourth dimension. Well, not on the charts, you can't be number one at the same time, only it doesn't mean that Nicki Minaj can't be Nicki Minaj because Cardi B exists. And Nicki Minaj, of class, realizes this and sends a tweet. And I'thou not even going to be contemptuous most information technology, considering I don't fifty-fifty know where I'd offset. I simply think information technology's a genuine — I'chiliad just going to take information technology on its face up and simply be like, yes, more of this.
JW: Cardi B openly said that every single working female rapper that she knows hitting her upwardly and was similar, congrats, which is amazing. I mean, that's how information technology should exist. There'southward enough to get around.
WM: No more beef.
JW: Anyway, what else y'all got?
WM: So, Saturday morning, I'1000 minding my business concern, I know that the president had had this rally in Huntsville, Alabama. I didn't really know what had happened, but you know, I discover out afterwards of class that he is talking nearly how any son of a bitch who takes a knee instead of standing at the National Anthem and saluting the flag, those sons of bitches demand to go. NFL issues a statement. I meet the statement and information technology's a paragraph, and it doesn't fifty-fifty say annihilation. All it says is nosotros stand for unity, not divisiveness and these comments — doesn't specify what comments — are the opposite of what we stand for. And we give to charity is basically what the argument said. I'm like, well, there must be more than to it than this. I am looking around the internet for like ten minutes trying to find the rest of this statement. That's all NFL commissioner Roger Goodell had to say near what happened on Friday.
JW: Oh, boy.
WM: Fast forward to Lord's day, when all the anarchy breaks loose. You know what? This is what we're talking near this week, so permit'due south just showtime talking about information technology. I don't have anything else.
JW: I mean, this is the thing of the moment.
WM: This is the thing of the moment. So, here's what we're going to practice. We're just going to talk virtually what is going on, what really happened, correct, on Sunday and Sabbatum around the league, and how scary and strange and weirdly exciting this is, only likewise, ultimately, depressing.
JW: Let'southward practise it, I'm ready.
WM: We'll be correct back.
JW: Okay, Wesley. Allow'southward just start from the beginning, because y'all know, I don't watch the sports, but I picket the Twitter, I get the images, I get the updates, and I don't actually know how this all began. A year agone, more than or less, Colin Kaepernick, a player for the 49ers, starts sitting and so somewhen kneeling during the National Canticle as a personal, peaceful silent protest against constabulary brutality.
WM: Yep. And the treatment of black people at the hands of the police.
JW: Correct.
WM: Other players join him, and eventually Colin Kaepernick was let go from the 49ers, and you lot know, in that location's a lot of outcry about his joblessness, just over the form of a year, it seemed like there were isolated people not saluting or standing, just the controversy, the scandal seemed to dice down. Only a yr ago, for about a few months, it seemed like we were actually tense and something was going to happen. You know, something bad. Colin Kaepernick's patriotism was called into question. He's always been a person of interest for the last year. A lot of the conversation around him became a matter of his employment status and why he wasn't playing for a team. And no team would sign him even as a fill-in quarterback, which he'd be perfectly good at for nigh any team in the NFL.
JW: Okay, and so that'southward the backstory, that'due south the properties. And so on Friday, Donald Trump is in Huntsville, Alabama, which not coincidentally, it was the heart of the lynching belt, right, okay. Gives a spoken language, and is basically like —
WM: It's not a oral communication, by the way.
JW: Well, whatever, he just, he fires off some comments.
CLIP OF DONALD TRUMP
JW: Merely is this just completely unprompted, just like a personal bone he has to pick?
WM: I'g inclined to be more than cynical than that. We tin become into that afterward. Just yes, basically, he starts going off on all the things that are wrong with professional football. People "protesting" the National Canticle or "boycotting" the National Anthem. You lot know, the brain injuries are making information technology so that they are changing the way the players tackle each other. He misses the violence of the sport, now, you know, he wants that to come up back. It'southward kind of, I mean, I wouldn't call information technology unhinged, just it was so random. It was the sort of thing he typically does.
JW: Then, basically, more or less out of nowhere, he just starts shooting off the mouth.
WM: Right. Just two things happen. In that location'south this Huntsville, Alabama rant, and what he says during information technology, which is the thing that I retrieve started this whole thing is non the no hits and the sons of bitches, the sons of bitches need to basically exist fired. The NFL has a job to do and information technology's to burn these treasonous football players from the team. Then the other thing that happens is the media starts request Steph Curry, who plays for the Golden State Warriors, our current reigning NBA champions, whether or non he's going to get to the White House to be received every bit the NBA champions by the president. And we tin play a clip of what he said.
CLIP OF STEPH CURRY
JW: Then Donald Trump hears about it, gets on Twitter and talks about information technology, and so LeBron fires dorsum like, y'all bum, he already said he wasn't going to go, which is when I entered the picture, because that'due south what caught my attending.
WM: You lot bum is powerful.
JW: You bum is hilarious. I was like, anyone who wants to put this on a fanny pack, I've got Venmo, hit me upwardly. Like, that is corking. You bum is amazing. So that's when I enter the picture, I start to run across this happen on Twitter. And at outset, it's funny to me. It'due south like a funny, you know, I'grand like, this is hilarious. Yes, like, get him, you know, at the president. Only then I outset realizing —
WM: Think nigh what you simply said, by the way.
JW: I know. Merely then I start to sympathise the eyes of what he'southward said and where we're at that moment in what the president has come out against and for. So, he's not willing to call out white supremacists who are protesting, sure, but certainly not peacefully whatever. He's not willing to decry whatever of their deportment, but yet, he's willing to take aim and telephone call for the firing and real action confronting these players. So, I kickoff thinking about that juxtaposition and I get securely, deeply pitiful. And so my family unit chat started bravado upward, and that's the ane that I don't look at, but the ane where my mom screenshots to me what our white family unit is proverb. And one of my cousins was like, who cares? These guys are all thugs anyway, more or less. And then I realized, information technology's not even about who is going to the White House or not. Information technology'southward not almost whether or not people have the right to protest. It's again about black entitlement, black respectability, white expectations of blackness, and really just like, not taking blackness pain or blackness trauma, or the black feel in America seriously. That racism doesn't exist. Nosotros all need to become over information technology and motion on. Oppression doesn't exist. Systemic injustices don't exist. This is what I start to realize. This is about way more than only a football game.
WM: I got actually upset partially considering I didn't know what to do. I as well felt similar my reaction kickoff was not as a blackness person simply it was as a human who had been waiting to run into what this president was going to do about Puerto Rico, which has been devastated by Hurricane Maria. These are our citizens, who accept no electricity, no beverage water. There's going to be a food shortage. It's bad, and it'southward the American government'southward responsibility to assistance solve this. And this man has said most zip about that, but wants to get in on people continuing or kneeling during the National Canticle, which is their right as American citizens to do. I didn't know where to beginning. Sunday, I know what happened in London, and so I assumed that there would be other protests during the games happening in the Usa. I personally had been taking a genu on televised football, for whatsoever number of reasons which we can become into later. So, I haven't watched any games in their entirety all season, only I knew Sunday was going to be loaded. I had two friends who were meeting some other friends at a bar virtually my firm. I met them, and nosotros're all concerned well-nigh what'south going on, and it was a sports bar. And at that place are people there — you lot know, every game is on every TV, and then people sit where they can see the game that corresponds with their affiliation. Just the five of us are just talking about what'south going on, we're having the meta chat. And during this chat, 1 of the people I'k with at this bar notices that people are hearing united states of america talk about what we feel is the injustice beingness done, and he points this out. And I had been mildly cocky conscious virtually information technology, only then he points this out and I got scared. I don't frequently get scared in Brooklyn, but I was at this bar and I merely felt...exposed. I felt exposed in a way that I hadn't ever felt before, and it was fine. I merely kept eating my buffalo wings and you lot know, we didn't terminate what nosotros were talking nigh, merely I felt very observed, and unwanted, correct.
JW: Well, aye, because — I mean, not to interrupt, but it'southward because y'all know, since the election, we can kind of feel adequately confident in our Brooklyn, liberal presenting enclaves that nosotros're all in agreement, things take been a mess since the election. Only there'south something about sports and large public events like that, and football game in particular that people feel should exist exempt from anything having to do with politics, as if those are not already completely, totally loaded arenas. And so there's this feeling of like, we don't get a break from whatever of this? Now I have to think about the kneeling during the football game?
WM: Information technology'due south similar what I told you yesterday nearly the hot dogs, right? You lot love hot dogs...and so somebody tells you what's in a hot domestic dog.
JW: Don't go mad at a 60 Minutes documentary that lets you know what's in your hot domestic dog. Don't swallow the hot canis familiaris.
WM: Right. You want to go mad at me for telling you what you're eating.
JW: Listen. We all know where nosotros were when we were unplugged out of the Matrix, and aye, it sucks, and I'chiliad so sorry. Yous had it adept longer than the residuum of us, okay? Nosotros've been knowing that the adult female in the cherry dress was a simulation. Similar, I'm sorry. I know it hurts. I know information technology's hard. But welcome.
WM: Yeah, no, and I don't know what percentage of football fans are going to get to maybe stage two or stride two where they begin to really question sure things about the league and about this presidency, and about what's going on in this land. I mean, I don't know, perchance we should have a interruption and figure out, we'll mix this upward a little more and make it a little more complicated. Only in that location are real questions to ask about what we're supposed to do with all of this and what are the delusions that we have or the complacencies that nosotros have. They're not delusions, they're complacencies, and these things have been in our lives for a long time and this particular president is forcing us to question things that we probably should take questioned before.
JW: Well, permit'southward have a quick break and come back and let'south muddy the pot, because there's a lot to get into.
WM: Alright, let's just say immediately that we don't accept whatever solutions for annihilation that we're going to talk about. This story is a mess. The situation is a mess. I do recall that all of the entanglements here are worth but working out and talking about.
JW: There are a lot of threads to pull. There are historical threads, there are contextual threads, there are socioeconomic threads. In that location'due south a lot to sort of look at why this is then loaded and why it is nearly more than than just a game.
WM: One thing I think we should definitely talk about offset is this thought that — why practice yous got to bring politics into football? Why are you messing up my football game with politics?
JW: Right. And what people really mean when they say politics is racism.
WM: Yeah. Why bring the outside world — Steve Mnuchin, our treasury secretarial assistant, went on 1 of those Sunday forenoon talk shows and was asked about this, near the Trump comments on Fri.
Prune OF STEVE MNUCHIN
WM: I mean, sir.
JW: It is also interesting because I think there is a conception in this land that nosotros don't want our entertainers — and I'g including athletes in that category — to use the platform that they've been given. We want them to just come and sing and dance, come up play the game, and get off the field. I but don't know where that expectation ever came from, as if these people aren't actual homo beings, with ideas and thoughts and rights, hopes, wishes, dreams, fears. That's been the sentiment that's been echoed over and over once again, which is, you know, what exercise you have to complain most? Simply play the game.
WM: Right. Well, maybe these people practice not know that our defense force department has been giving the NFL money for the last couple years, anyhow. Two years agone, John McCain and Jeff Scrap, 2 senators from Arizona, basically issued this written report that looked into the almost $7 million that the defence department had been giving the NFL — just for recruitment purposes, that the league was being used to get guys to join the military. In that location are all these salute the troops days. The league has sort of given itself over to all kinds of causes. Breast cancer but isn't as politically fraught equally police brutality. And by the way, the league didn't give itself over to police force brutality. The matter well-nigh Colin Kaepernick and what he started is that he took, he forced the league in some ways — I mean, it's like, I don't desire to give Roger Goodell and the NFL credit for too much here. I remember individual players risked a lot over the weekend.
JW: And let'southward too exist a little bit cynical too, in the sense that the New York Jets posted these photos of linked artillery on the field with the caption, unity. I mean, I don't know what that's supposed to be about. I don't get the tiers of demonstrations, either. Some people are continuing, some people are kneeling, some people are just not on the field and we don't know what's going on. Then, what started a year agone specifically dealt with racial injustice and police brutality. What's happening at present is sort of a button back against Donald Trump and the assail he unleashed on the owners of these teams, which too even using that terminology is weird, considering yes, they are owners, simply we're also talking about bodies. You know, black bodies, specifically, right, because the majority of the players tend to be black. Majority of the audiences tend to exist white. In that location is a weird racial dynamic that's happening, but the team owners aren't necessarily taking a stand in the aforementioned mode that Colin Kaepernick was taking a stand. They're taking a stand in the sense of like, don't mess with our business, Mr. President.
WM: Yous know what happens to me if I fire all of the people who are going to kneel and boycott?
JW: Like it'due south like shooting fish in a barrel to say, like it's neat that these owners came out and are linking arms in a line with their teammates, their players, only at the same time, it's like, they are all, in all likelihood, probably trying to avoid a strike. Trying to avoid loss of advertizing. They're trying to protect their own business interests.
WM: Jenna. Can I be even darker than that?
JW: Yeah! Go nighttime.
WM: You know, one of the things that has always fabricated me uncomfortable about professional person sports in this country, specially as they concern the NBA and the NFL, both leagues in which most of the teams are owned by white men, most of the people playing on these teams are black men. What happens every spring and early on summer?
JW: They become bought and sold.
WM: Aye, they practise. I've never been comfy with that. The people who own these teams are called owners. And i of the highlights of the ownership exchange is having these men sit at an audition and then become upwardly — not on an sale block, but you know, in one case you lot get your team, you become your chapeau, you go up and you hug the master, the master owner, Roger Goodell. I volition never be able to shake the sort of inherent racial infrastructure of the way these sports work, and —
JW: Of grade. And allow'southward non forget that at that place is a degree of brutality involved in all of these sports. Obviously football game is one of the most tearing, only professional athleticism comes with very high tolls, and I think information technology's been interesting to watch the sort of notion that because these players are well compensated, they don't feel, they don't deserve the right to feel whatsoever they're feeling. And y'all know, comparatively, right, yes, they are well compensated, only in terms of how much coin is being made off of them, it's pennies, showtime of all. Simply second of all, there'south no amount of money that can compensate for all the things that come up with repetitive brain injury. I mean, information technology's just, it'southward really appalling that that's been like the number one sort of response I've seen on Twitter, which is like, you should exist grateful. Yous know? You should be grateful we allow you even play the sport.
WM: Mind. In a lot of cases, these men accept chosen to play the sport because they honey it. But I too remember it'due south important to point out that this is a sport in crunch. Unlike the NBA, the NFL is at a real crisis indicate. There's too much science now on the effects of playing the sport. The ratings are downwards. I hateful, Trump talked about that, and he wasn't wrong. The ratings are down. Can I exist extra cynical? I actually think the reason that the NFL argument from Roger Goodell was and then inexplicably short and vague — I'm not going to say he called the president and said, yo, can you hook me up? Merely I think this is ultimately at to the lowest degree temporarily going to be adept. Nosotros weren't talking about brain injuries, and we should have been, because that'southward the other thing that happened in the league concluding week was the revelation that Aaron Hernandez, who played for the New England Patriots, went to prison for murder, killed himself in prison. He stopped playing when he was almost 24 or 25 years old. He had massive, severe, some of the worst deterioration they had ever seen, these doctors. Just we weren't talking nigh Aaron Hernandez on Sun. We were talking about black people and these teams protesting our National Anthem. And I call back that we're risking getting far away from a lot of things that we actually should be talking about. I mean, Puerto Rico, Kim Jong United nations? I mean...this is an of import affair that I remember is maybe similar the fourth most important thing, or the thing that has been deemed 4th near important in the mode this presidency is being covered in the last week. He called Kim Jong Un Rocket Human and basically vowed to destroy North Korea. That to me is the number one story followed immediately past the destruction of a whole island. That he hasn't said S-H-I-T near!
JW: Correct. Well, but then you have to really take it a step dorsum and sympathise that in that location is, like what nosotros assume to be kind of haphazard and unhinged and you lot know, feels really out of left field or things that experience actually random, it's hard not to believe that the man does non know how to command the news narrative. He's done information technology his entire presidency.
WM: He's doing it right at present!
JW: Well, that's what I'one thousand saying. Like, I retrieve we have to really await at what we're not talking about, and I think we take to really start to empathise that we're all being played. Nosotros're all pawns, and we always realize information technology style too late.
WM: Yes. Some of these owners gave Trump a million dollars terminal year.
JW: A piece.
WM: Oh, not together, pitiful. Individually. $7 million by seven different owners was given to the Trump campaign. Shad Kahn, who owns the Jacksonville Jaguars, is 1 of the people who donated a million dollars, but besides stood with the team on Sunday. The cognitive racket to me, interesting. The number of people — and I don't know if this has happened in your world — simply the number of people who are surprised past annihilation this president says...similar how much room is there for you to still be surprised?
JW: I guess I merely keep thinking virtually our friend of the pod Ta-Nehisi Coates' piece recently for The Atlantic virtually America's outset white president and how whiteness doesn't desire to engage with whiteness, and just sort of have that Donald Trump is a white supremacist...accepts something about whiteness and ability that's sort of dangerous. Anyway, the number of jokes I saw from people that I respect on Twitter about the "take a genu" thing was really upsetting. And I recall we're really at an interesting turning indicate culturally and in our club where Donald Trump, America, the powers that be don't care about blackness people. They don't care near brown people either, which is why Puerto Rico is being left to rot and nosotros're not fifty-fifty talking about it or thinking about it, and why people in my community and diverse circles are collecting money via PayPal to buy diapers to drive them to someone who is going to go them to Puerto Rico because we can't count on whatsoever of these institutions to do anything for us. And that, to me, is a real breakdown of what, of how I thought this state and frankly the world is supposed to role.
WM: Yeah. I hateful, I've never felt this caste of hopelessness in a way, simply I'm not totally hopeless, right. I think the actually interesting affair that has happened from the standpoint of what these players have been saying, what LeBron James has been saying and what Steph Curry has been proverb, none of this is actually almost any detail personal affront or offense. I hateful, LeBron James' political statements have been not as an individual or not on behalf of himself only as a fellow member of a larger grouping, be it when he was with the Miami Heat and those guys all wore hoodies later on Trayvon Martin'southward shooting. He has a real sense of how teams operate, and that is version of what you lot saw on Lord's day. The other thing that was happening with those protests was they were aimed at the president. They were aimed at a sitting president of the U.s.a.. Information technology was a bunch of professional athletes who play "America's sport" — sorry, baseball game — standing up to the words of a president, the dare of a president. That'due south wild.
JW: Correct. Challenging the president. Basically, y'all're too saying your words are meaningless, similar nosotros're not going to become fired, and y'all don't really have that much ability.
WM: I want to bring this dorsum to Colin Kaepernick every bit we depart because I retrieve it'due south important to think near what he, what he started, and why it bothers people, right. You know, other people like Eric Reed who played with him on the 49ers and also kneeled with him, he's been more song than Colin Kaepernick has. You lot know, because Colin Kaepernick, we have not heard from.
JW: He'southward pretty quiet.
WM: He has not spoken to anybody about this in almost a year. I recollect that's important because people tried to brand to make this seem like he was doing this every bit office of a publicity stunt. That was part of the chat. Well, maybe if he makes himself as well valuable, like the 49ers won't allow him get, and he'll be so desirable if they do let him get that any other squad in the league volition selection him upwardly because he'll be a draw. That didn't happen, and he didn't start going on Jimmy Fallon or Stephen Colbert talking about these problems while having no job. He has sort of handled this with a grace and a poise — fifty-fifty though he said some things that I didn't necessarily agree with, and he didn't vote — merely I recall that what he has started and what he has made us think virtually, without having really said very much is astonishing. And it is powerful. My other question though — is he going to go a job? Non out of this, but he'due south a quarterback. He is the center piece of the team appliance. That is typically a white job. It is typically done by a particular, y'all know, blazon of white male person. Colin Kaepernick is a very handsome man. This is non my signal. It is just that he's blackness. In that location aren't very many blackness quarterbacks in the league. And I wonder if he had done this and not been a quarterback — who had also gotten to the Super Basin, by the style. I hateful, he wasn't just some random dude.
JW: Oh, people loved Kaepernick. I mean, he was beloved.
WM: I wonder what the difference would be in that location. I wonder if he would have a job. I wonder now what the hazard in having him play — this is why I'm inclined to be cynical about this, because in that location's no reason non to have Colin Kaepernick be your backup. I wonder what the lesson is here. I hateful, for the owners.
JW: Well, what's been interesting to me is watching this drift beyond the NFL, right. Like Stevie Wonder kneeled recently during a functioning. Carla Hall, who is a chef who cohosts The Chew, who was a contestant on Pinnacle Chef, she has this cooking show on ABC in the mornings. She posted an Instagram video that was like, information technology'southward like her and one of her cohosts, I guess, they like say something and slap hands, and they're like, if you agree, take a knee. Which made me actually happy because I was like, finally, we can have a good version of the damn ice bucket challenge, and then I only feel that there is a way in which that this is migrating beyond — and the elasticity of what information technology means to accept a knee is a little bit troubling, because we do proceed migrating away from Colin Kaepernick's original...
WM: Information technology's going to be a meme.
JW: Simply there is power in that visibility, and I only hope that at some point, we do recollect why this began in the kickoff identify. And it wasn't actually to protect the business organization interests of NFL owners, correct. Or the long term career prospects of NFL players. It was nigh specific instances of racial injustice and police brutality, and I merely keep thinking about that. I also want to arrive a time auto and get, I want to rewind it back a little scrap. You know me, did some research online, and I found out something very interesting most the origin of our National Canticle. Most people know Francis Scott Fundamental wrote it in the 1800s, it was eventually scored by John Philip Sousa and and then in the '30s became known as the National Anthem. I don't know when it was integrated into football, but it'south been in our state for a very long fourth dimension. Just what Francis Scott Fundamental in particular was responding to — most people know, he was watching the British fight the Americans in Baltimore, and he was moved by this fight for freedom and for liberty. But there's a stanza that is unremarkably dropped out that refers to slaves, just in item, it refers to American slaves, correct, who ran away and joined the British to fight against Americans, and he was watching that, he was watching black people fight against white Americans, runaway slaves, literally fighting for their lives, fighting actually for their freedom that Francis Scott Key is like luxuriously writing about and romantically writing nearly. Like, people who were actually fighting for their ain freedom and the freedom of the generations that come up after them. That is what Francis Scott Key was as well talking about. He was very disgusted by that. So, there is a lot of loaded symbolism and a lot of loaded significance in what that song ways in particular to blackness people and what it means now that this is the thing that people notice so disrespectful. Like, how dare you disrespect this vocal and this flag, and information technology's besides like, but my dude, has that song or that flag ever respected us? Like, I don't think then. So again, we're, we never have the total moving-picture show, and I retrieve in that location is this idea — and this is actually what people are angry near when they have to get, yous know, when football is no longer a pleasure, when sports are no longer a pleasure, when Instagram is no longer a pleasure considering you lot have to retrieve about what it means to accept a knee. Information technology's that the prevarication of racial equality or the lie that we're somewhere other than where nosotros actually are in America has been exploded. That's what people are mad about it. You're only mad that you had to have the red pill. You're just mad that the blue pill's non an option anymore.
WM: Yeah, you're mad that you know what's in that damn hot dog. And it'southward not but thigh. Anyway, that's our show.
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Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/podcasts/still-processing-take-a-knee-if-you-agree.html
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